The Banality of Apartheid: A Conversation with Milisuthando Bongela
By Ife Olujobi
Milisuthando—the debut documentary feature of filmmaker, writer, and poet Milisuthando Bongela—opens with pixelated footage of an unknown Black South African woman standing naked before a giant bronze statue of Nelson Mandela in 2014. The image cuts to an intertitle in which Bongela tells us that she cannot “draw a straight line” between this footage and the questions of self and country that it inspired in her. But the film—an enigmatic journey through Bongela’s memories of apartheid and its aftermaths—embodies a certain nakedness in its personal storytelling and emotional honesty that lend the opening image a haunting resonance. It is as if the film, like the woman, is looking up to the totemic figure of Mandela and his promise of a postracial South Africa with a world-weary and wary embrace.
What makes Bongela’s story distinct from many other apartheid narratives is not only that she was still a child when the regime fell, but that up until that point she had been raised in a place that some considered a Black utopia and others a colonial gambit. South Africa’s National Party—which consisted of descendants of Dutch, German, and French settlers known as Afrikaners—formally introduced apartheid in 1948 to codify and legalize long-held racist and segregationist practices. It also introduced a series of legislation—including the Group Areas Act of 1950 and the Natives Resettlement Act of 1954—that created formal Bantustans, or “homelands,” for Black South Africans. While some who led and inhabited these Bantustans saw them as both a welcome reprieve from white racism and an opportunity for a thriving Black nationhood, others regarded them as an attempt to strip Black people of their South African citizenship and further entrench Afrikaner rule over the country.
Bongela was born in one such Bantustan, the Transkei. Though it was one of the larger and more developed Black independent states, it has been overshadowed in South Africa’s histories of apartheid, likely because it was actively opposed by the anti-apartheid forces and never recognized by any international governing body. The Transkei was dissolved, along with the other Bantustans, at apartheid’s end, with the election of Mandela and the African National Congress (ANC) in 1994.
Through a transfixing collage of archival footage, home video, historical context, poetic remembrances, and conversations with friends and family, Bongela uses her personal history to question how growing up middle-class in an all-Black enclave during apartheid, then being shunted into the violence of “post-apartheid” white society in her adolescence, has impacted her worldview, her relationships as an adult, and her purpose as an artist. With Milisuthando, Bongela is reclaiming and reexamining the Transkei and rewriting South Africa’s history of apartheid to better understand the myths, both Black and white, that made the regime possible. With an ethos and visual style firmly rooted in Bantu philosophy and Xhosa ritual, Milisuthando does not draw grand conclusions. Instead, it quietly perforates the sheath of accepted histories to expose the manufactured legacies and fragile truces that uphold contemporary South Africa—a society that, in Bongela’s view, has not “begun to touch” the painful memories living within its people.
Though her film raises many questions with no easy answers, Bongela speaks with a clarity and assurance that can only come after processing inner turbulence and arriving at an understanding of yourself and your place in the world, rooted in tradition, and informed but not weighed down by the past. To mark the occasion of her film streaming on the Criterion Channel, I had the pleasure of speaking with Bongela at a café in Brooklyn about family legacy, Black hair, white friends, Xhosa spirituality, and the mythmaking of apartheid.

Usually my first question would be something like “How did you find your way to filmmaking?” But when I was watching Milisuthando, it struck me as a showcase of your beautiful poetic writing as much as your filmmaking, so I’m wondering how you started writing and found your voice, and then how your writing led you to filmmaking.
To me, writing was like walking, like breathing. I got my first journal when I was eight, and from there I found myself. My father, K.S. Bongela, was a very celebrated author in the Transkei. He wrote many novels and short stories and essays in Xhosa. He told me that his grandfather was also a writer but there were no papers, so he would write on rocks and stones. This writing thing, it's an inheritance. In Xhosa we have this word ukufuza, which means whatever you have, you have inherited from someone.
My first proper writing gig was as a columnist for a newspaper called the Mail & Guardian, and they asked me to write about my perspectives as a young Black woman in Jo’burg after I had moved there in 2008. I was terrified because it was a very serious newspaper, and columnists were people who smoked pipes and were very serious men. Why would anyone care what I had to say as a twenty-four-year-old? But I brought my perspective, which I didn’t see much of within the political writing in South Africa. Things were always very fact-based, very masculine in their approach. We grew up watching films and documentaries about apartheid where there were confrontations between the protestors and the police, Black people strewn across our screens with water cannons and guns. Apartheid, the violence of it—there was a very established language to think about it. I was more interested in something like the banality of apartheid, the more quiet apartheid on a Tuesday morning, the one that doesn’t have the gun. Everything that happens before the gun is raised. Now that the country was free and we could all be together, there was so much about the tension that exists between the races in different, very layered, very complex ways—the dynamic inside offices, gyms, churches, public spaces, schools. When I read about apartheid with the capital A and violence with the capital V, it seems like it happened somewhere else, but I experienced this weird psychological hangover from it, and I needed a language for that. That’s how I came to making a film.
What prompted you to process these feelings and experiences through film rather than through writing?
It was a dumb little thing—an argument I had with my friend because I wanted to relax my hair. Instagram was new, and I was feeling a lot of pressure about looking a particular way, because suddenly you have all these girlies showing up on the timeline looking so fly! I last straightened my hair in high school, and I stopped straightening it because my dermatologist was like, “You can’t put on the oils that maintain straight hair, it’s ruining your skin.” I kept my hair natural for ten years, and then one day, around 2015, I decided I wanted to relax it. My friend was like, “No! Why would you do that?” He started to mention apartheid and racism and colonialism and Winnie Mandela, and I was like, “What the fuck does any of this have to do with my hair? Please.” Then I went back home and Googled “Black hair, racism, identity,” and this entire world opened up to me.
I didn’t relax my hair, and I immediately bought a book called I Write What I Like, by Steve Biko. It’s a seminal text in South African Black intellectual thought, one of the first books you read by one of our greatest thinkers, who was killed in 1977 by the regime. I was very ashamed for not having realized my hair’s connection to this image that we’ve been given by white people, which is that we are not beautiful, we are not good enough, we are ugly. I interviewed eight of my friends for what was meant to be a five-minute video for my blog, but as I talked to them I thought, “Why is this not a bigger conversation amongst Black women?”
So then I did different interviews at salons with more people. The first couple years, the film was about hair, and I pitched it to Hot Docs at the Durban Film Festival. They said to me, “This is cool, but this has already been said about hair. How much deeper can you go?” I was very grateful for that feedback. Where did I first learn to hate my hair and disassociate from myself? It’s the Model C schools, the white schools that we went to immediately after apartheid. So much happened to us as children that we haven’t spoken about. It’s not microaggressions; it’s close-range racism that happened in spaces that were supposed to be safe—the schools, the classrooms, sleepovers, birthday parties. Every Black person I interviewed had some experience where they had this white friend that was really nice to them, but the closer they got, something would happen at the house of that white friend, because often times a white friend would say to us, “My mum says you can come to my house but I'm not allowed to come to yours.” These are things we didn’t tell the teachers about, we didn’t tell our parents about, we all just experienced in silence.
Now, thirty years later, we’re adults. How has that shaped the way we think about ourselves? That was the next phase: looking into the schools. But I only came to those schools when I was eight. Where was I before that? In the Transkei. The story of my family and other families in our neighborhood, you didn’t see it represented. I know the Transkei as home, but politically, what the hell was this place?

How did your understanding of the Transkei evolve with research?
I started reading and interviewing family members and discovered this was a full-on apartheid guinea-pig project of the state getting together with Black leaders to create this inverted place where Black people had more rights than white people. This was a semblance of them giving us our own freedom, but really it was them taking the land more formally. They were creating these homelands for Black people, giving small pieces to us and taking the rest of the country for themselves to create a white homeland. When I recovered that knowledge for myself, I knew what the film would be.
People speak of the Transkei as home or a holiday destination or these rural villages, but politically, it hasn’t been integrated into South Africa’s post-apartheid narratives. And it’s not only the Transkei. There were three other huge homelands: there was Venda, Ciskei, Bophuthatswana. And there were many smaller ones where the regime had managed to really balkanize the land, slowly over time selling this idea of, “You can run your own affairs. You don’t have to be bothered by the bad white people. Here, you have your own parliament, your own passports, your own borders.” There’s this dichotomous experience: yes, I’m a Black victim of apartheid systems and racism in South Africa, but I’m also, to some degree, a benefactor of this other thing. I didn’t have whiteness as a reference point for the first seven years of my life. I didn’t even know white people existed. I was in this very beautiful world, and not everybody had that.
At seven we left the Transkei and that is when I encountered whiteness, so the film is me examining the things that happened to me to ask: do we really know what apartheid was? We have a very visceral understanding of it that is still materially evident in the country, but psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, I don’t think we’ve begun to touch it. If I were to get into the shoes of the people who created apartheid, how do I understand it from within its own mythmaking, within its own desires?
Understanding apartheid from within its own logic released me from a loop of confusion and frustration as a Black person, because we grew up as Black people wondering, “Why do they hate us so much?” What released me was to understand that there’s a perpetual anxiety within white society that these Afrikaners had because they needed to create a home at the bottom of Africa and force indigeneity. They have myths and legends and fairy tales and stories and all kinds of songs to legitimize the idea that this is their home. A land without a people, a people without a land. The same narratives in Australia and Israel exist here in South Africa. The whole Bantustan idea was more to serve their needs to create a home rather than Black people’s need to create a home. We never felt like it’s not our home. We never needed to prove it to anyone. Watching all of this archival footage is what revealed that to me.
Speaking of archival footage, in a Film Comment podcast episode titled “The Fictions of Race,” featuring you in conversation with RaMell Ross and Jason Fox, you say of your process, “We knew that we couldn’t use any archival images as a reliable source of truth, because it wasn’t truth,” and you discuss how various editing techniques allowed you to enter archival histories “through the door of subversion.” Can you talk about your relationship to the archive and how you engaged and subverted these materials?
If you YouTube search apartheid images, it’s all stuff that we’ve seen before. I wanted more. I wanted full color 16 mm, 35 mm, 9 mm footage of what happened, in its entirety, from as soon as films could be made in this country. How does cinema hold the desires of this regime, and how was the regime deployed through cinema? Afrikaners were making incredible propaganda films and showing them to different populations to legitimize and make real this idea of apartheid. They took the French New Wave, and they created an Afrikaans New Wave. They have Afrikaans westerns and Afrikaans Alpine films to create this idea of normalcy, history, and heritage from this patchworked identity. Then they did the same thing for Black people. You watch propaganda films about the Transkei and the Bophuthatswana, and they look so good. They are so well made. The entire imagery in the country was controlled by the state, so you don’t blame white people for believing in their own superiorities all the time, or Black people for internalizing inferiority complexes.
In the archive I was looking for a representation of me, and I wasn’t quite finding it. Whenever I found images of Black people, and Black women especially, we were always subordinate, which is how these white people saw us. There’s a huge gap between what these images are and who we are as people. I knew that within these gaps, we were going to have to invent. I was working at the time with a consulting editor named Arya Lalloo, and through a lot of trial and error we spoke about subverting the archive. Working with her and Hankyeol Lee, my editor, we arrived at the cinematic language that we were going to use to explore the subject through the archive, through these very quick cuts and a soundtrack that’s creating the atmosphere that we want, which is doubt. Doubt the validity of this image, because we doubt it, because it’s not true.
This idea of doubting the archive is interesting as a lens to discuss this chapter of the film where you’re questioning these two white friends of yours—Marion and Bettina—about the psychic toll of racism in their own lives and how that’s affecting your relationships with them. What were you looking for in comparing their memories of apartheid with your own? What was revealed to you, or what surprised you?
Making the film I realized that we cannot be having a conversation by ourselves, about ourselves. I needed to illustrate cinematically what I’m experiencing in these relationships. We’re friends, we talk about all kinds of things, but there’s this power dynamic and this invisible history that’s also here with us in very subtle ways. I can feel them restraining, not wanting to say the wrong thing, but there is something that they’re holding back behind those smiles. We also have it as Black people. We hold ourselves in a particular way and almost mollycoddle them. I know this tension exists all over the place, but when I started to look for it in films, this representation of interracial relationships and friendships especially, I found that it was either films like Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner or films like Jungle Fever.
It’s either the entire subject or not a factor at all. Or you have the Black best friend and they never talk about race.
It’s nothing! There is a huge middle ground that’s missing where I don’t see any representations of the close-range racism that has been happening between Blacks and whites since we met. Before we worked on the film, [my producer Marion Isaacs and I] were friends, and we had always talked about these things in the abstract. As we started working and spending more time together, they started showing up more naturally, and she was the white person that was in front of me when I was remembering all the things that had been done by friends in primary school, in high school, in university, and throughout my life. She was there, and she triggered me, and suddenly I was like, “You people!” And she was like, “But wait!” I wanted to represent the complex response that our white peers have in these moments, where on one hand they are well-meaning, good-hearted people who want to do the right thing, but ultimately they have no precedence for how to handle this because in their culture they don’t talk about it. The hand-wringing, the anxieties in Marion’s voice—that’s real. It took a lot for her to come and tell her story because many people have that fear and they just pretend it’s not there. They all want to advertise how non-racist they are. They’re virtue signaling—the constant charity toward Black causes, dating Black people, adopting Black people—all these ways in which their goodness can be expressed without having to deal with the fact that racism is in them. They’re always wanting to help us as if racism is our problem.
The other section with Bettina represents a white person who is doing the work without me. She is asking, at a very deep level, questions about who she is in that country as a white person, and she’s grappling with that using indigenous African methods. She’s consulting with traditional healers to look into her ancestry so she can understand herself. “How do I engage the violence in me?” she keeps saying. The things she says in the film, I really needed to hear them, because what you find a lot is white denialism of apartheid. It’s almost as if the bullets fell from the sky, like they weren’t shot by people. A lot of our white friends want to act as if their parents were against apartheid, always pushing it away, whereas Bettina is saying things that Black South Africans have been yearning to hear from white people.

Bettina is a fascinating figure because she’s engaging in a kind of cultural work through her artmaking. In your artist bio, you describe yourself as a cultural worker in addition to a writer and filmmaker, and I really appreciated that. What does the label of cultural worker mean to you in the context of the film? What do you see as the role of an artist and cultural worker in this particular moment?
My cultural work came about in 2017, when I started working with indigenous healers in South Africa. Ubuntu in Southern African cultures, whether from a Xhosa, Zulu, Tswana or Shona perspective, is embodied in the essence of our healing practices, which are founded on the principle that healing is relational work. I spent about five years in close contact with five healers, and they said, “You’re the scribe, just take notes. Your role is to filter it in a way that the world understands.” Art is the gateway through which we learn and retain our culture. The cultural work part comes from studying my indigenous culture, from birth rituals to death rituals to coming-of-age rituals and knowledge systems about what we think a human being is, from the beginning to the end of the physical life, and then how to engage them as spirits, ancestrally speaking.
The film is a Bantu philosophy–infused view of who we are as people. Within my home, my community, I was taught I’m never alone. I was introduced to my ancestors at birth, and when I die I will become an ancestor, and the cycle will continue. The film is also the coming together of a cultural worldview, a particular perspective on life, history, and the present through the articulation of a particular kind of vernacular of cinema, one that could have only come from Southern Africa, from Bantu people and specifically, in my case, Nguni people. I’ve been trying to name our filmmaking process and place our film within the larger context of African cinemas, and I’ve been using the term “Nguni cinema” to reference this coming together of the tools of cinema with a cultural perspective specific to a geography and a loci of a people—in this case Abenguni, the Nguni people of South Africa.
To your question about the role of the artist and the cultural worker now, I think it’s to continue. Every day I’m trying to figure out how to restore my humanity, especially now, in this culture, where it’s so commodified and we’re all losing as a result. It’s so difficult to watch everything that’s happening in Gaza, to read about and actually understand what is going on in Sudan and Congo. It’s debilitating to keep focused on that. Yes, you keep your ear knowing, but I have to put down my journalist self and become an artist and a poet, and a poet has to exist somewhere on the periphery because imagination cannot exist in the same place as degradation. I have to create an elsewhere, create the next world that’s coming, because this one’s dying. Not everybody can imagine the future, and the commitment to be an artist is to bother ourselves every day with the difficulty of that imagination that integrates all of us.
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